#44: What to do if you are being followed by a Private Investigator


// ]]>I recently received a comment on one of my blog articles regarding surveillance safety.  The individual whom we will call Joe, indicated that multiple private investigators had been following them for several months. Joe indicated that the private investigators had broke every law in the book while following him which included reckless driving and trying to run them off the road.  Joe believed that they were either private investigators hired by a specific insurance company or in-house investigators.  Joe was very confident that the private investigators were associated to an insurance company.  I can assume Joe is either on a disability claim or workers compensation claim.

What Joe was describing was what investigators call, “Rough Shadowing”.  Rough Shadowing is when an investigator continues to conduct surveillance even after the case has be compromised and the investigator is being aware that the subject knows they are being followed.

RESPONSES

There are a variety of actions a subject will take if they determine they are being followed.  Below is a list of typical responses in no particular order:

  • They act as if they don’t notice the investigator
  • Stop and make an obvious gesture as if they know they are being followed
  • Stop their vehicle in a random location (like the side of the freeway)
  • Follow the investigator
  • Attack the investigator
  • Threaten the investigator
  • Have a neighbor scope out and possibly approach the investigator

None of the provided responses in my opinion are safe. 

What would a typical private investigator do if you gave them an indication that you were aware of their presence?

In most cases a private investigator will cease conducting surveillance and leave the area.  A private investigator does not want you to be fearful and they don’t want an altercation because they were caught following you.

There are some stubborn or inexperienced private investigators that believe that they can either continue to follow you undetected on that day or a later date.  Either way they may return.


Considerations

What you need to take into consideration is the possibility the individual following is not a private investigator.  What if the individual following you was doing so to hurt you or your family?  There are some crazy people out there.  Maybe the individual following you was a private investigator however had mistaken you for someone else?  You really just don’t know why the individual is following you.  I am not writing this to put fear in your heart but it is a situation you should take very seriously.

So what do you do?

Before I make any suggestions let me first say that you do whatever you feel is safe.  I am not a lawyer or a law enforcement officer.   With that being said I would recommend that you call your local law enforcement and inform them that you are being followed.  Give the authorities the best description you possibly can of either the individual of their vehicle.  If you are capable of doing so in a safe manner, attempt to obtain the license plate of the vehicle.  I would not go out of my way to do so but if the opportunity arises it wouldn’t hurt as the plate number will be an asset to local law enforcement.   The police will make contact with the individual and determine their intentions.

Private Investigation is a Business

If you find out that the individual following you is a private investigator keep in mind that the private investigator is just doing his job.  Someone has paid him/her to do this service and the private investigator is trying to make a living. Private investigators are not perfect and may not pickup on signs that they are compromised.  That is why I believe calling law enforcement is very effective and safe.

If it has been made clear to the private investigator that you know they are following you and they continue to do so, I would seek some consultation by an attorney because at that point it is just plain harassment.

Thank you for taking the time to read this.  Take care and be safe.

Andrew

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40 Responses to #44: What to do if you are being followed by a Private Investigator

  1. Robert O. December 14, 2012 at 2:10 pm #

    Great post! I’ve give the same advice many times before. As a surveillance investigator myself, I avoid getting burned at all costs. However, the few times I have been burned (it will happen to every surveillance investigator at some point in their career), I discontinued surveillance immediately. Having the police called is, for me, embarrassing and humbling.

    • John Tegu November 16, 2013 at 12:01 pm #

      Note that not everyone who is on disability and whom may drive his or her car once a while to let’s say a doctor office of to get a bite to eat is facking his her disability. But, if you have a job which entails to take a picture or video of a disabled individual during a circumstance as described above, in an effort to turn this over to an insurance company so that a claim may be denied, you would be lucifer himself. Be an investigator to help and not to hurt.

      • Andrew November 17, 2013 at 9:15 am #

        Hi John,

        I agree that driving a car doesn’t mean you are faking it. But if you tell the insurance company you can never drive because of your disability and therefore can not work; I believe the insurance company might have something to say about that. Personally I don’t care what a claimant does each day. I just do my best to document their activities.

        • John November 25, 2013 at 1:26 pm #

          Andrew –

          Someone with high fever or severe headache can leave work and drive his or her car home, then go under the blanket. Just because he or she drove home while sick does not mean he or she is faking it.

          The disability law states the person must be fit to work a 8-hours shift. I agree that abuses need to be isolated. But, PIs are breaking the laws: phone tapping, tailgating, lying, misrepresentation, and others similar sinister undertakings by PIs are not warranted. Needless to say that you are breaking the laws.

          • Andrew November 25, 2013 at 10:47 pm #

            John,

            I have been doing this for 10 years. I don’t break laws (well I might speed a little sometimes) and I just document on video whatever I can of my subject during the course of the surveillance day.

            When I discuss people driving when they shouldn’t you need to understand the context of that statement. I someone tells the insurance company they can’t drive (at all) because of their work comp status or disability (hence the reason they can’t work), and I document that same individual driving everyday, I would naturally think the insurance company has a case against that individual.

            If fraud wasn’t as bad as it is John I would be out of a job.

            With that being said you need to understand that sometimes insurance companies send an investigator on a surveillance only to find that the subject they are watching is abiding by their restrictions. I might work the case a couple of days and then never see the assignment again as the insurance company is happy with the results even though there is no fraud. My surveillance efforts only prove that the insurance claim is legit.

            I might have to write an article on this or maybe podcast on this soon. I think private investigators get a pretty bad wrap.

  2. Edmund @ preston private detectives June 1, 2013 at 3:22 pm #

    A good article. A colleague of mine here in the UK was on surveillance when he parked on a terraced street. a gentleman came out of a house he stopped outside and told him he knew he was a PI and if he saw him again he would break his legs. The twist? my colleagues target was at a different address on the same street and my colleague had somehow managed to stop outside another house where the occupants were conducting an illicit relationship.
    keep safe!

    • Andrew June 1, 2013 at 9:06 pm #

      This happens all the time :). Everyone thinks you are there for a different reason. It just depends on their personal situation. Someone could be selling drug or going through a divorce. So they automatically think you are there for them. Thanks for sharing the story.

  3. Tlabo August 27, 2013 at 12:02 pm #

    Im looking for private investigator info n job ,i worked for saps for 12yrs i think i can assist in the industry

  4. misty September 23, 2013 at 1:21 pm #

    im being followed every where on a grand scale no matter when I leave house .
    Especially in supermarkets and shops and when im at the till it looks like they r following me to the till and looking in my trolly .
    im followed every where even in cafes and it looks like they r sending ordinary people in posing as costomers to in shops at post office cash machine every where I go ,
    they r on foot in lots of cars all which get changed regulary never same car or same people .
    I filed a complaint to day at police station but as its all different people hard to pinpoint who it is .
    I was made bankrupt and now im being followed everywhere .
    im over heard one say you should take a photograph of that and he pointed at my trolly he seen me look at him then he pretended he was pointing at something else .
    im being followed on a large scale though more than a dozen at a time .
    Any ideas whats going on and do pi work in such large scales as this .
    I feel harassed I don’t know if its a creditor or my trustee agent whos following me im sure it was something to do with me being bankrupt .
    any ideas .Kind Regards misty

    • Andrew September 23, 2013 at 6:31 pm #

      Misty,

      Surveillance is very expensive. Unless you are being followed by the government it is unlikely that a dozen people are following you each day. Not many people can spot one private investigator on foot, let alone 12.

      I am not disregarding your concerns or that maybe someone is following you. Be safe out there. If people are following you they might not be private investigators so be safe.

      Andrew

      • misty September 24, 2013 at 2:21 pm #

        Hi Andrew.
        thanks for your reply much appreciated .
        yes I would say that they were delibertly letting me know that they are following me .
        wonder if it could be a creditor out for revenge .
        I notice the people that run the bankruptcy programmes im sure there from the government could it be them .
        yes was out today but it was on a lesser scale today but I still noticed im being followed I know the local shop is on there payroll so to speak as they were following me to and passing info on to them ,
        I told the police but ive still not got enough proof yet .
        I noticed they had a elderly person following me today at cash machine and in supermarket I can spot them all I did notice they were not as in my face as usual today maybe they knew I had been to police .
        I was sure my phone was tapped cause they know as soon as I leave the house .
        any ideas what I could do maybe its a do it your self job and they have brought in there aunts and uncles and grannys etc that’s what it looks like .
        Many thanks .misty

        • Andrew September 24, 2013 at 4:31 pm #

          If it is the same people each time then get their picture if possible each day and show the police. Again do what you feel is safe to do.

          • misty September 25, 2013 at 4:49 am #

            Hi Andrew
            no its always different faces and different cars .
            they particulary seem to be interested when im in the shops and at the tills .
            It looks like they are watching what im spending and what items im buying as I did over hear one say look at that and point to trolly and he then said you should take a photo of that .
            I thought maybe it was my trustee agent checking if I really do spend that amount on messages as they asked me what I spend at supermarket .
            the local shop whom I discovered was in this with them also asked me a lot of questions like do u have a husband .or boyfriend how often does he come away and who do u live with and do u have any dogs .
            I noticed after I was asked all this I noticed I was being followed and they have been talking with lot of strange guys at the counter who don’t look local I also over heard him say when I walked in shop he said to one guy no im not answering any questions he said that cause he spotted me walking in the guy quickly left shop .
            I aked the shop owner do u know who is following me he said no he wasn’t aware of nothing i told him i knew i was being followed i knew he would go back and tell them and the very next day they treid to change the way they follow me but i still spotted it .
            When i told him all im doing is going to the shops he then said yes all u do is going to asda every week but i never told him i shop in asda every week its strange how he knew he then said oh cause ive seen u .
            Faces change every week though as do the cars and the police said if the guy at the shop wont tell u who they r they r not going to tell us either .
            In the beginning though i was sure it was my trustees agent face i saw i was sure it was him and next time i phoned to speak to him i was told he had left before he left though when i got a refund i declared it to them and he said yes cause u know we are keeping an eye on you and you are doing everything right .
            So i thought it might be them and they have paid local shop for info maybe they r checking up on me to see if i told truth of who i live with and what i spend .
            Of course it might not be them at all but that was who i thought it might be i did ask them outright and he said no it wasn’t them i asked him do u think i should file a complaint with police and he said yes .
            i still thought it might be them though i did notice he hesitated before answering me when i asked r u following me is it yous .
            i was sure it was my case officers face i saw he jogged past me the next day i was in a café and this bloke was at counter he stared at me without turning away and i was sure again it was him and following day at back of supermarket but when i phoned the following day to speak to him i was told hes left and not here no more but i have a feeling he still is there .
            It must be costing them a fortune though and all this carry on just watching me shop cause as i look after my elderly mother that’s all i do just my shopping but even on days i don’t normally go out when i went out on a different day they were there so i take it there there all the time .
            One day on a clear day sun shining more than a dozen cars had there lights on when they passed me i thought that’s strange on a clear day .
            sorry this post is so long but just don’t know really what i can do .
            I will try and get more evidence but its quite difficult as all cars change and people .
            When i said i regonised my case officers face in the beginning i have never met him but i looked facebook and im certain it was him and he did make comment yes cause u know we r keeping an eye on u .
            then i was told he had left after he said that to me .
            someone else took over my case but i asked him is it yous whos following me and he hesitated then said no .
            Sorry for going on but its making me worried will update with any more news i can find .
            Much appreciated misty .

          • Andrew September 25, 2013 at 12:34 pm #

            Hi Misty,

            No need to update me. I would say based on what you have shared it is unlikely that there are so many people interested in following you. You mentioned it was always difference cars and faces. This is something that is very hard to do and very expensive to do. Be safe in what ever you do.

            Take care

          • misty September 28, 2013 at 10:42 am #

            Hi Andrew
            many thanks .
            Regonised another face from internet and it looks like it is my trustees agent he works for them to .
            I think I will get legal advice about this cause it doesn’t seem like normal procedure to me as the one I regonised this time was posing as a new shop assistant in the grocers I mentioned he works as agent for trustee same place as my case officer .
            I think I will seek legal advice still being followed although it was on lesser scale now since I reported it to the police .
            Many thanks anyway .
            Kind Regards Misty .

        • John Tegu November 16, 2013 at 12:18 pm #

          Misty –

          I too, have the same experience with several cars and several people following me. I am on disability, and I thought it might have been the insurance company. But, the volume and amplitude of the surveillance let me to think that it could not have been the insurance company because of the amount of resources being used. So, I started thinking, could it be the government, since I had relationship with them also before I became disable. Then, two months later, my doctor told me: How did you get here; i.e. to the doctor’s office? I told her, I got a ride, which was true. Then she went on and stated this: Don’t do anything, don’t drive. Just wait till your condition reverses before you drive. Then, it clicked. The insurance company had devoted a lot of resources to take a picture or a video to show that I am not as sick I said that I was, and was trying to enlist my doctor in siding up with it.

          So, you not crazy. They are following you. Take pictures of their faces, of their cars, tag and anything you can do to expose (burn them). They have a cheap job. If my condition wasn’t medically objective, I would have been denied my claim based on this cheap PI work. Shame on you.

          • Janice October 17, 2014 at 12:52 am #

            Okay I know your post is from 2013 but I have no one else to tell people would probably think I’m nuts or something. I will try to explain my situation. Here it is I believe it started last year maybe in May 2013 a month before my husband left me. Husband was still living at home with me. It was at a store I had my child with me. The man who I think to believe was a pi was not professional he thought I wasn’t paying attention he took very close pictures of me kept looking at me and my phone. Kept following me. Also it was scary cause I went in an isle to catch my breath and not scare my child then guess who sticks his neck out to look at me another man that was with the original man I didn’t notice they were together at first. Then when I was paying the cashier the guy that took pictures of me was watching what I was buying and what form of payment I was using. He must have told the second man something cause he left the store when I left. He walked fast like he was in a hurry and right past me so close almost to touch. They have traumatized me. I didn’t understand and still don’t. Also I seen the one that took pictures of me one more time from far he was walking in a store and I was at a bank close by we made quick eye contact never seen him again. I have never filed any claims. One thing is my husband after some months came back and now it’s happened again but not as bad. I was at a store the other day and not to many people were there a man on his phone kept walking past me talking loud enough that I heard him. He was even in the same isle with me at one point we were back to back pretending like he was looking at something. At first I thought maybe he’s just a store detective making sure no one steals. I thought I’m fine with that cause I’m not going to take anything. Then I got scared because I heard him talking on his phone. Not many people were in the store so I heard him loud and clear tell the person on the phone like he was talking about me he was referring to a woman and a man a married couple his words to the person on the phone were exactly this as he was referring to the couple (she stays home and he takes care of the house) then he made a comment to who ever was on the phone his words as he was laughing and referring to the man this time ( yeah give him four glasses of wine) as I said he was laughing along with the other person i was nervous and puzzled. It was so obvious it was about me and my husband. So many things went through my head trying to figure out who would spend money on having a pi watch me. I’m a boring person. At first I thought maybe it was my husband that hired a pi because it happened before he left and after he came back. Here’s what leads me to believe its possible when we were separated he seen a divorce attorney he doesn’t know I know. Also the same day he came back I went to the gas station and a young man between late twenties and early thirties stopped and asked me for directions. I thought it was strange because the whole time hubby was gone I was never bothered. Also about two months ago I was coming back from a appointment and I felt like a car was following me she made it obvious I turned all of the sudden and she turned. I took a different route and all of the sudden she’s at the same red light as me almost home. I’m so traumatized. I finally had it and asked my husband if he hired a pi he said he doesn’t have the money for one. I know a pi could be expensive but knowing he never told me about the consultation with the attorney he proved he’s not honest and has no conscious when it comes to telling me the truth. Also I know a woman I think my husband denies knowing who she is was calling him after he moved back home. Could she have anything to do with it. Also today at the store a man I felt nervous around left at the same time as me. I felt sick again they are getting better at it. When I went to pick my child up from school the man that I seen earlier that day leaving the store wearing a ball cap and sunglasses went in the parking lot of the school in a small truck very slow in front of me. He didn’t pick anyone up and finally my heart sunk and I felt so heart broken. What could I have done to deserve this. Please any advice would be appreciated.

        • doves March 10, 2014 at 10:34 pm #

          Misty, I had the same thing happen to me . you said you take care of your elderly mother, well, my own sister turned me in to the state when I was watching my mother cause I bought my self items for watching her from her account. She has done the same if not more then the rest of my siblings.. Every state has a law about taking advantage of the elderly, even if your not ,they will still investigate it, sometimes for months, maybe your mother has dementia etc . Do you have brothers or sisters? someone may have tipped the Attorney Generals office off on you. That is why they are following you to see what your buying…but. they can get copies of your mother’s bank statements and see what is going on. I have noticed the same thing several cars in a row lights on during the day. Also, you will see alot of deep black tinted windows on cars investigators drive. it’s so you can’t see them but, they are watching you maybe taking photographs for court etc etc. They sent me an indictment in the mail. I was so hurt my own sister did this over money and things she wanted from my mother’s house. I spent months watching her and I deserved to be paid but she couldn’t do to her illness so my sister was the one who called the Attorney Generals office.

          • Misty March 11, 2014 at 1:33 am #

            Hi doves
            thanks for your reply .
            I do have a brother and a sister .
            I never got on with my brother and I do feel my brother is involved in this he never visited my mother in years apart from about twice a year after my mum was ill though he is never away from the house now trying to cause trouble .
            He also took a letter I gave him to post he text me to say he had lost it this was to cause a argument as it was a important letter I gave him so we argued about how on earth he could have lost it .
            when we were arguing he then said oh u r not fit to look after my mum I think u r stressed and should see a dr and im going to get u assessed he said .
            So it could well be him the next day his girlfriend returned the letter saying they happened to find it but they had opened it and treid to stick it back down again .
            He was just looking for an argument to provoke me .
            I live with my mum and take good care of her she doesn’t have dementia but she was in hosp with chest infection recently and is frailer now my mum gives me permission to collect her pension for her and some times gets me to get build up drinks small items for her or for house hold I have her permission though .
            although I buy the main big shop for her and pay some bills for her with my own money I spend nearly all my income on house hold for us both .
            My mum pays some bills to we share household costs .
            I only ever buy something from her pension when she tells me to .
            I have her permission and its only ever small items from shop like her build up drinks or scones or honey for her self or some extra cake or buiscuits .
            I buy her main shop every week with my money .
            My brothers girlfriend works for the council as a carer though and she wanted to be my mums carer so she could get money herself but because I live with mum and I look after her then she has been trying to find fault with me to get me out the way so she can step in and get money its them who want her money not me .
            they my brother and his girlfriend keep trying to find fault with me so they can get me out so they can get in .
            God help my mum if that happened she wouldn’t last 5 mins with them there only interest in my mum is to see what they can get vultures .
            they have treid to smear my name its all lies so it could be something to do with them right enough .
            I did notice faces from my bankruptcy team in my town though and I feel they might have put my brother up to doing this as I did suspect my brother was wired up when he comes to visit my mum and he keeps trying to provoke me into arguments .
            social services the occupational therapist was sent out to mum but all them said they could see my mum was in safe hands and she said they are all just needing to leave you and your mum alone and give yous peace .
            So they knew to my mum was in good hands with me .
            My brother was a violent bully to me when I was a child and up to the age of 21 he would punch and kick me and was nasty to me all my childhood .
            Its him who should be assessed he also purchased a property of mums from her years ago and never gave her all the money for it so its him who should be assessed .
            Im still being followed its been 7 and half months now .
            No one will tell me whats going on .
            I will keep yous up dated .
            Thanks for your reply all much appreciated in your help .

  5. Private investigator Austin October 13, 2013 at 3:34 pm #

    I own a private investigator firm in Austin and getting burned is never pleasant and can end up costing the agency the case which could amount to 1000’s of dollars. Needless to say we go out of our way to not get burned. We can usually recover from the situation if a neighbor spots us – parking several houses away as you suggested helps. But if the target catches us then we are toast. I tell my folks as well as the clients that we will stop the investigation if there is any indication that the target is becoming wise. If I’m following someone and they make a U-turn unexpectedly, I don’t take the bait and just keep going. It’s better to run away so you can fight another day. It’s much easier to explain what happen to a client in that situation as opposed to explaining that we were straight out burned. We can always change investigators and cars the next time. However, one of my competitors (from what some of his ex-employees tell me) actually has his investigators sign an agreement that if they loose a tail that it costs the investigator $50 bucks. I’m not sure what the rational for doing that – it seems to me that it’s forcing the investigator to be much more aggressive, more willing to break traffic laws, and is bound to increase the likelihood that the investigator will get burned which in the long run will cost that agency more money. And I’ve got to tell ya, that the investigators I’ve spoken to find this policy to be draconian. I thank you for your article – we all need a little advice on how to handle getting burned. It’s bound to happen to all of us but what is more important is how to recover from it and break the news to your client. I take these situations as learning experiences – maybe given the same circumstances I would put 2 investigators on a case to minimize the risks.

    • doves March 10, 2014 at 10:41 pm #

      You guys think you are sneaky. I have caught several following me. I know all your tricks, the tinted windows so dark you can not see who it is.. PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR IS JUST A FANCY NAME FOR STALKING PEOPLE. I just wonder how many times you have been caught and maybe had your ass beat for spying?

  6. Carlos November 10, 2013 at 9:12 pm #

    What you should do is take a picture and go up to him and tell them that you are going to report it to the cops. That will get them off give the cops the picture and tell him that he is following you and its different people from A PI.

  7. Carlos November 10, 2013 at 9:17 pm #

    I also have a problem this guy where we live is crazy from the head he told me that he hired a private investigator because supposably somebody broke into his room. He is a dirty guy he puts expensive jewelery on the kitchen and leaves in hopes that one of us will get it. Now I know that he is trying to build a case on any of us. What can I do I can get the PI’s Card since the actual PI went to the house and gave the card to one of us and saying he was looking for someone. Can I send the PI and this crazy guy to jail for invasion of privacy?

  8. misty November 17, 2013 at 11:12 am #

    Thanks john .
    much appreciated .
    My case is now got worse as now all my neighbours seem involved to and the shops .
    Ive seen people talk to the manager then they follow me up the road to and im still getting followed round supermarket the shop assistants are now involved as well .
    when I leave the house all the people down the road from me either come out of there house and then look to see where im going and they get on the phone and even shop assistants are now following me to and I believe the taxi drivers whom I used were either wired up or bugged or filming me .
    It seems like the whole town is envolved now .
    I think they must be paid getting paid or something by someone who is showing them some sort of badge cause everyone seems only to willing to go along with them .
    Its been going on for 4 months now .
    No one will tell me what is going on people I thought who were friends have all stabbed me in the back nice to my face but I believe there asking me questions to go back and tell who is following me or there wired up or filming me .
    im not crazy I swear to god this is really happening .
    One bus driver when I got of the bus a car was waiting with 2 guys in it and the bus driver looked at me and said what a carry on .
    Every where I go or people I talk to or shops any where I go they go I also believe I was followed to the drs and dentist are they legally allowed to ask drs or dentist info I thought this was illegal .
    I could phone dentists and ask as im sure they followed me in there as I got a taxi down and the taxi driver was saying to me oh its expensive going to the dentist and he then said are u working so I do believe this is something to do with my bankruptcy.
    When ever I ask anyone they all say I don’t know who it could be .
    im sure my brother is also envolved and is actually filming me and my mum in our house im sure he is im sure they have got to him to .
    Im sure the police would know as it seems to be all over town every one knows but me though what the hell is going on .
    what can I do about this it seems they are out to destroy my life and they are turning the whole town against me .
    My phone is tapped im sure it is as well and im sure my home is bugged to .
    Honestly im not crazy it really is happening .
    I want to bring them to justice I have the names of locals who are following me but then they will all probably deny it though and all shops seem envolved to .
    I don’t know what I have done .

    • Leo February 16, 2014 at 5:51 am #

      Sounds like a carbon copy of what happend/is happening to me….claim was settled over a year ago but This bullshit continues….just returned to work after 5years….first job after work injury was sacked on second day for minor mistake….I have no doubt it was related to my injury claim ECT. They have made life hell for my family and i

      • misty February 17, 2014 at 7:15 am #

        Thanks leo for your reply
        Its been 7 months now and im still being hounded.

        Neighbour down the road said to me they are following u cause they think u r a shop lifter..
        He said the taxi drivers told the boys who deliver my messages to my door that I was a shop lifter .
        I had to get my messages delivered to door cause im being hassled and hounded in supermarket .
        I have never ever shop lifted in my life every week im followed by strangers and shop assistants and they repeat all my conversations in supermarket so my phone must be tapped wired or they have listening devices around my home they repeat conversations that all relate to me .
        I think someone must have opened up a investigation on me and told lies its about shop lifting so they can be allowd in to hassle me every week .
        Cause why would a supermarket allow them to do this every week they stage up set ups like they hold conversations with each other at tills beside me but they are relating to things about me or in my life but they pretend they are speaking to each other .
        ive seen people pretend to collect prescriptions to at the pharmacy section and at the post office section they pretend to get served beside me but they are watching me to see what money im lifting .
        I think it must be a pi whos told lies on why they are investigating me I think they have told lies by saying shes a shop lifter but all they want to do is hassle me week after week .
        The neighbour also let slip that most of the taxi drivers are getting there petrol money paid for them by some company .
        the taxi drivers follow me now to .
        If I could find out who is paying there petrol money it might lead to who this is that’s hassling me .
        In saying that I did notice more faces of those who are dealing with my bankruptcy I noticed some of them in supermarket although I didn’t know that at the time but when I come up road I looked at there photos on the internet and it was there double .
        They have over 200 employees and my neighbour said the taxi drivers just get day out of the office on there day off when they are following me .
        I thought this also that my the people that are dealing with my bankruptcy take day out of there office get the day off to follow me so it wont cost them as much .
        I did think that myself .
        whther a lawyer would be able to help if they wrote to supermarket and asked if anyone is investigating me as its all lies that they must be telling supermarket .
        I wonder if the supermarket would be obliged to tell a lawyer or can the supermarket with hold that information ?
        It seems like stalking by the government but from what the neighbour said I think its more likely a viscious smear campaign .by the people whos dealing with my bankruptcy .
        Would supermarket have to tell a lawyer if a lawyer asked them who it is that’s in there supermarket every week .
        I asked the manager in a phone call but he treid to deny any thing was going on he said he would be happy to speak to the police though if police investigated .
        I made a complaint to police months ago but didn’t have enough proof back then but from what neighbour is saying I might have something to go on .

        sorry u r going through the same thing leo I did email police Scotland online about my problem but they sent me a link to the anti stalkers help support group they told me to get in touch with anti stalkers help line support group in the first instance as they would know how to deal with this sort of thing .

        So I probably will do that soon maybe anti stalking help line u can google it to leo it might help u to get some support .
        I will probably get in touch with them soon or a lawyer .
        This is libel as I have never shop lifted in my life don’t have no criminal records either its slander .
        Hope u can get out of this living hell to leo many thanks for your input as that helps me too .

  9. Ted Smith May 14, 2014 at 2:02 am #

    Misty, what you are describing is gang stalking. Groups of individuals will organise surveillance of you and later sometimes harassment of you using the internet to coordinate their efforts. They will do stuff like what you describe, being in places you frequent making obvious comments about you or show signs of overtly watching you while you are there on purpose to get under your skin. They can also employ things like gaslighting and whatnot.
    The purpose is to harass you but in such a way as to not technically be illegal.
    It’s not a organisation with deep pockets and a huge pool of investigators after you, but a group of individuals who are friends with each other and who pool their own resources to follow and harass you. Groups like these are sometimes hackers or hactivists who are defending (in their eyes) one of their group. It can get pretty ugly, so be careful, ok?

    Ps,
    They sometimes will use private investigators to follow you initially, to learn your daily routine and any info they can about you. But after that, they switch over to using members of their own group. So keep that in mind. Going to the police with suspicions and no solid proof a bunch of random people are stalking and harassing you is goi.g to make you appear mentally unstable in the eyes of the police. And that’s precisely what your tormentors want. Be careful!!

    • misty May 14, 2014 at 9:06 am #

      Hi Ted
      Yes I think u r right it does seem like gangstalking .I don’t understand though why sme of those people don’t go to the police anymously and report it cause shop assistants join in to and I get followed into dentists and drs as well so I don’t know why no one reports it .Maybe its cause the gangstalkers have told lies about me and then everyone is believing them or maybe they have someone in the group who shows a badge of some sort and everyone thinks its a legal investigation .
      I did hope people would report it anonymously to crime stoppers cause lots of people must know who they are .
      Yes I did notice lots of them in town they do all know each other even the neighbour said to me they all know each other .
      Im still being stalked every where and yes they shout the comments or stage conversations with each other but talk about things that relate to me .
      I did think though that some people who were initionaly involved some of them strange enough have backed off now maybe they realise what is happening and know now it isn’t true what they r saying .However they just seem to recruit in more new people .Lot of the faces I do regonise and there r lots I don’t .
      Yes I would say its definitely to harass me they seem obessed with me and like u say I think they have put in listening devices and a camera near our house some where .
      I though about getting someone in to check my garden .
      if anyone regonises me from this post then can they please report those people to the police they could do it anonymously or take evidence them selfs and send it anonymously to the police cause lots of people in town must know who they are .
      I notice they are making horrible gestures to my eldery mum as well when im with her so they seem to have it in for my mum to who is very elderly .
      I think my brother is involved and his girlfriend and neighbours are involved to and my bankruptcy people also became involved with them to .
      I notice the council as well is involved to I cant understand why they wouldn’t report those people they must have told awful lies about me which is worrying cause all those people seem to believe what they tell them .
      It could be someone who I had a fall out with but for someone to go to that level to do this on this scale should be brought to justice especially as they are picking on my mum to who is elderly and frail .
      they must be heartless and ruthless and obessed stalker full of hate to do something like this .
      If anyone can help me please report anonymously or if anyone has any idea who ringleaders are then even if they have evidence please post it anonymously to myself or to police .
      Lots of people must know and some of those people who showed hatred in the beginning to me some of them now smile at me and say hello so I think they must realise something not right but still lots joining in .I try and ignore them though .
      if anyone knows who they are please get in touch or u could do it anonymously from phone box phone crime stoppers or please try and get evidence on yer phones and post to police or to myself if anyone knows anything .
      Many thanks for your reply ted hopefully someone can help me and my mum .soon .

      • tr July 6, 2014 at 8:11 am #

        Misty – I’m not trying to dismiss your concerns because obviously you must be very frightened. The idea of ‘literally everyone’ conspiring against you does sound terrible. But I’ve read every single comment you’ve left here – what you’re describing does not sound like the work of a private investigator. Even if you owe billions upon billions of dollars, it doesn’t sound like the work of a private investigator, or gang stalkers, or anyone who is out to get you. Please seek the help of a medical professional in your area. One who could help you sort this out – specifically someone who deals in mental health.

        Again, not trying to make light of the situation or make things worse, but if you really want help for you and your mother, do it.

        Take care

        • misty July 7, 2014 at 5:29 am #

          I do not have any mental health issues at all .
          Neighbour also told me its a certain group of people and I regonised there faces to also there on security cameras in the shops I think they have forgotton that .
          I agree with ted its a certain group of people and they will be on camera and lots know who they are .
          I think its all them that has got the mental health issues and its them who need the help .
          the proof is out there too many people know who they are just need at least one or 2 to come forward and there finished .

          • tr July 9, 2014 at 7:50 pm #

            Misty, what you are describing is truly terrible. It’s also a scenario that is extremely difficult to organize and pay for. You essentially believe that the entire town you live in is out to get you. For what? Why are you so wanted? Who would pay so much money for information on you? This has gone on for a long time, you would have bankrupted whoever was behind this. The situations that you are describing, how do you know that the tellers and clerks are talking about you? How do you know that people are looking at you everywhere you go because they’re out to get you and not because you’re just ‘there?’ How do you know that the cab drivers aren’t getting their petrol money from the cab company itself?

            You’ve had PIs tell you that this kind kind of setup just isn’t probable. I’m just taking a very educated guess to say that it’s not PIs, it’s not gang stalking and it’s something you should seek help for, especially if the police are not helping you.

            Have you ever gone for a mental health assessment?

          • misty July 10, 2014 at 5:18 pm #

            As I said I do not have any need for any assessment those who are involved in this crime cause that’s what it is those are the ones who need to be assessed they must be seriously evil and are very disturbed individuals to carry this out .
            Someone else has just told me that those involved are doing it for the money and the main ringleader has mental health issues and he has covered his tracks with no evidence to trace back to him .
            also the security cameras in town and in the shops will show who has the mental health issues .
            gang stalking is a crime but only those who have expertise in it or who has endured it will understand what im talking about it would be impossible for u to understand what im talking about as u don’t have any knowledge of it .

  10. J. M. May 17, 2014 at 12:42 pm #

    To whom it may concern,
    A p.i. Left me her business card at my residence, I do not know exactly when because I was out of town.  The  p.i. wrote on her business card that she had important documents to give me. I called the p.i. and she claimed not to know what the issue is about and that she may no longer have the documents in hand. She also said she would return my call, that was three days ago. Should I have any concerns? Apparently she or another p.i. have been asking about me at my house. Again, I am out of town.
    Many thanks,
    J.M.

    • Andrew May 18, 2014 at 12:37 am #

      Maybe it was to serve you papers? I wouldn’t worry to much about it. They are clearly trying to figure out when you are home. If she calls you back then great. If not, don’t lose any sleep over it.

  11. Mr Nix Smith October 11, 2014 at 1:17 pm #

    I have a question my WC case is almost over. We have a benefits court hearing in 3 months. Yesterday me and my daughter and a friend were at the park and I notice this guy with a professional camera with a long lens. He came out of no where and started taking pictures of the ducks on the lake. I was sitting down and paid close attention and it seem like he was taking random pictures. I never saw him take a picture of me and he soon disappear. A couple of strange things have happen recently my father lives in the same house hold as I do. He recently bought brand new tires and the next day he had a flat. When he took the tire to the shop they discover a brand new screw in the tire. I am temporary disable and have always follow my restrictions very closely so I don’t have any worries. What do you guys think? I was attack by co-workers and they tried to make it seem like if we were horseplaying. That was there defense “horseplay” they won the trial, but my lawyer soon appeal and we won. So this is a pretty big case because they injure my head, neck, shoulders, hands, upper back, mid back, lower back, legs, psychological trauma and a concousion.

    • Andrew October 12, 2014 at 5:53 pm #

      Hey Mr. Smith,

      In regards to the man taking pictures at the park. I don’t think he had anything to do with your claim. We use video cameras not cameras to disprove claims. Cameras just don’t provide enough context to show movements of an individual. We also don’t like to be seen if we don’t have to.

      As for a screw in the tire, it seems as that was just a bit of bad luck. I don’t of any bad guys that go out of there way to screw something into a tire. Why not just put a knife in the tire?

      Take care,

      Andrew

      • Mr Smith October 14, 2014 at 6:36 pm #

        Thank you Andrew! This was very helpful.

        • Andrew October 14, 2014 at 9:15 pm #

          You are very welcome Mr. Smith. Glad it helped.

          Andrew

  12. Janice October 17, 2014 at 1:49 am #

    Also would like to edit my information. I don’t know who the woman is that had been calling husbands phone. He admits to nothing. I don’t know if she has anything to do with it. Could he be trying to catch me doing something trying to work up a case against me while still living as a married couple. Also could they really be pi’ seven though they are not very professional. Why take pictures of me at the store I wasn’t doing anything wrong what could it prove. Why so close like he either thought I was clueless or didn’t care. Also could it have anything to do with my husbands tiny disability claim not full disability. I have never received any kind of disability or even applied for it but my vehicle is in both our names. Does it have something to do with him since this happened right before he left me and after he came back. Could that woman he could have been seeing after he left me have anything to do with this. Please only honest and sincere comments as this is a delicate situation.

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